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The Need for Fission Track Data Transparency
Abstract. We report a new image-based inter-analyst study to investigate fission-track grain selection and analysis by 13 participants from an image data set that included grains of variable quality. Results suggest that participants with less experience show a higher rate of selecting unsuitable grains, while participants from the same laboratories generally provide similar results. Less analysis experience may result in the rejection of suitable grains, or inclusion of unsuitable ones. While inappropriate omission and inclusion can both bias results, the latter is more pernicious due to the standard practice of achieving a predecided number of analyses; particularly in difficult samples, there is a danger of “squeezing the rock” by weakening selection criteria. Juxtaposing selected regions of interest (ROIs) on the same grains indicates that zoned grains and grains with inclusions and defects yield varying track density estimates, indicating that ROI placement can be an influential factor. We propose developing image data repositories for global data transparency, a global guidance for fission-track analysis, digital teaching modules, and open science. We also point out the need for new approaches for zeta calibration that include consideration of grain quality, methods of uranium determination, and etching protocols.
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EC1: 'Corrigendum on gchron-2024-26', Shigeru Sueoka, 18 Oct 2024
The corresponding author has offered to replace the section 3.5 and the title of the section 3.7 with the following.
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3.5 Impact of ExperienceThe acceptance rate of suitable grains shows only a weak relationship with years of experience (Fig 4a). With increasing years of experience, the acceptance rate of unsuitable grains decreases sharply, while the confined track validity rate increases (Fig 4b). Accordingly, those who admit unsuitable grains at higher rates tend to have lower validity rates of confined track length measurements as well (Fig 4c). These results highlight analyst experience as an important factor in data quality, although some less experienced analysts performed as well as much more experienced ones.
Participant 5 yielded the lowest acceptance rates of 50% for the suitable grains and 0% for unsuitable grains. Participant 5 has been working exclusively on high-quality samples from one region for their entire fission-track experience (5 years), leading to selecting only the best-looking grains. This type of bias has been termed the 'mere-exposure effect' or 'familiarity principle', the tendency to develop preferences for things because they are familiar (Tversky and Kahneman, 1974). An analyst with narrower grain quality experience may miss available thermal history information by omitting objectively suitable, but less familiar, grains.
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I apologize for any inconvenience my carelessness may have caused you.
Shigeru Sueoka
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2024-26-EC1 -
RC1: 'Comment on gchron-2024-26', Raymond Donelick, 11 Nov 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://gchron.copernicus.org/preprints/gchron-2024-26/gchron-2024-26-RC1-supplement.pdf
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Murat Taner Tamer, 17 Dec 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on gchron-2024-26', Edward Sobel, 15 Nov 2024
Review by Ed Sobel of Tamer et al. "The Need for Fission Track Data Transparency"
This study presents an inter-operator study on the quality of fission track analyses; the influence of the operator's skill and judgement on the results are the main focus. After revisions (English usage and more precise descriptions), this will be a very useful study for the fission track community.
I have read Ray Donelick's comments and generally agree with his points. However, I think that the required revisions are primarily textural and therefore are minor rather than major/reject. I would modify his list of 6+ essential steps: 7 (collect photos) has to come before 6b (LA-ICP-MS). I agree with his wish to have more precise statements. Yes, the number of analysts is small, but quantitative statements would be more useful than phrases such as 'show similarities'. The criteria for suitable, unsuitable, or borderline needs to be defined - the text is presently quite short, so there is space to elaborate. Fig. 3 shows data histograms. A more quantitative way to compare histograms would be helpful.
47 Track density can vary by up to 35% if the grain is oriented without the c-axis in the viewing plane
Rephrase: if the grain is not oriented with the c-axis in the viewing plane58-59 and suffer edge effects from sampling a 4pi region that is variable.
rephrase-perhaps: that hosts variable U concentration
A follow-on conclusion would be that software packages should be modified to provide the option of automatically drawing an ROI that is 10 micron inside the edge of the grain.~80 Please insert a sentence here stating where the images used in this study can be viewed. Presently one has to reach line 326 to get this information.
Table 1 - I don't understand the suitable grain selection rate. Analyst 1 selected 22 grains as suitable and has a 100% rate; analyst 8: 35 grains, 100%. I find the description of the selection criteria to be confusing.
Rate is the wrong term. A number of grains were selected - this is a scalar unit. Rate implies a speed. This error occurs throughout the ms.
Figs. 1, 3 - rearrange so that these are not in landscape format.
The figures and tables are well drawn and appropriate.
Fig. S1 could be included in the main ms. Table S2 needs a title.154-5 Although calibration is an essential step before performing an analysis,
This needs justification. How large were the differences in lengths between groups that did and did not perform calibrations? I note that my (old) microscope is quite stable. The change from one calibration to the next is too small to measurably affect lengths - on the order of 0.02-0.03 microns for a 15 micron length and less for a shorter length, which is within measurement error.185-6: Some of the participants used FastTracks’ automatic tools for c-axis orientation and Dpar length measurements.
this sentence doesn't match the section header (3.3 Post-review follow-up and objectivity of the review). It belongs somewhere else.189 The density
190 distributions of suitable grains appear to be somewhat more relatable...
more relatable is the wrong phrase. similar? In general, the writing in section 3.4 is rough.section 3.5 new text: "Accordingly, those who admit unsuitable grains at higher rates "
Admit is the wrong word - select?231 ...but inclusion of large defects in the ROI...
a large number? I don't think the size of the individual defects is as relevant as their abundance.148 reasulting typo
Does the paper address relevant scientific questions within the scope of GChron?
Absolutely
Does the paper present novel concepts, ideas, tools, or data?
The paper presents the novel study in which multiple users analyze the exact same apatite fission track crystals. This leads to observations and conclusions about the causes of variability and the reliability of measurements.
Are the scientific methods and assumptions valid and clearly outlined?
Can be improved - the criteria for grain selection need to be better defined.
Are the results sufficient to support the interpretations and conclusions?
It would be better is some qualified observations were quantified, as discussed above.
Is the description of experiments and calculations sufficiently complete and precise to allow their reproduction by fellow scientists (traceability of results)?
yes
Do the authors give proper credit to related work and clearly indicate their own new/original contribution?
yes
Does the title clearly reflect the contents of the paper?
ok. Donelick's suggested title would be an improvement.
Does the abstract provide a concise and complete summary?
ok. Needs to include the word apatite in the 1st sentence.
Is the overall presentation well structured and clear?
yes
Is the language fluent and precise?
Some English polishing is needed. The language usage light source preference can be imprecise. An example: "light source preference", which actually seems to mean the decision to use reflected as well as transmitted light. The definition of this phrase needs to be clearly stated.
Are mathematical formulae, symbols, abbreviations, and units correctly defined and used?
Yes - with the exception of the word 'rate', as discussed above.
Should any parts of the paper (text, formulae, figures, tables) be clarified, reduced, combined, or eliminated?
on
Are the number and quality of references appropriate?
yes
Is the amount and quality of supplementary material appropriate?
yesCitation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2024-26-RC2 - AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Murat Taner Tamer, 17 Dec 2024
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