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A 62 kyr geomagnetic palaeointensity record from the Taymyr Peninsula, Russian Arctic
Stephanie Scheidt
Matthias Lenz
Ramon Egli
Dominik Brill
Martin Klug
Karl Fabian
Marlene M. Lenz
Raphael Gromig
Janet Rethemeyer
Bernd Wagner
Grigory Federov
Martin Melles
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- Final revised paper (published on 28 Jan 2022)
- Preprint (discussion started on 03 Jun 2021)
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CC1: 'Comment on gchron-2021-12', Ian Snowball, 06 Jul 2021
The authors' paragraph between lines 315 and 335 refers to a series of studies that estimated the palaeomagnetic lock-in-depth for two Swedish annually laminated (varved) lake sediment sequences and the authors state that “….yet, reported lock-in depths vary widely for both of the Swedish lakes”. The authors point out (in lines 329-330) that “the used geomagnetic field reference curves influence the final results”. Given the important influence of the applied reference field on the estimated lock-in-depths some additional clarification is perhaps needed. The authors could clarify that Snowball et al. (2013) used the FENNOSTACK reference curve (Snowball et al. 2007). This reference curve was based on the stacking of PSV data obtained from a series of varved lake sediments in Fennoscandia and it does not include any correction for lock-in-depths in the underlying data sets. Thus, Snowball et al. (2013) stated that the estimate of lock-in-depth in Gyltigesjön would probably be a minimum estimate. The subsequent study of Gyltigesjön (and Kälksjön) by Mellström et al. (2015) used the predictions of archaeomagnetic field models as reference curves. By definition, these field models are constrained by archaeomagnetic data, which should not contain any significant lock-in-delay. As foreseen by the preceding study, the refined lock-in-depth was found to be significantly deeper. By applying a Bayesian approach, Nilsson et al. (2018) investigated the influence of changing sedimentation rates on lock-in delay in the same two lakes. Their results were consistent with the earlier studies and demonstrated the importance of the chosen reference curve (and lock-in-depth functions). The current wording in the paragraph (lines 315-335) implies that a series of widely ranging variable estimates were produced in an ad hoc fashion, but there was systematic refinement of the estimates in the series of papers that Scheidt et al. refer to.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-CC1 -
CC2: 'Reply on CC1', Stephanie Scheidt, 07 Jul 2021
Thank you for pointing that out. This is absolutely correct. In the revised form, the facts will be presented more precisely.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-CC2
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CC2: 'Reply on CC1', Stephanie Scheidt, 07 Jul 2021
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RC1: 'Comment on gchron-2021-12', Anonymous Referee #1, 07 Jul 2021
The manuscript by Scheidt et al. presents a paleomagnetic record from lake Levinson-Lessing over the last ~60 ka. The authors find variability in the normalized NRM intensity record to correlate with existing paleomagnetic records from the Northern Hemisphere and use this variability to establish an age model, evaluate sediment lock-in, and develop a relatively rare, long, high-latitude paleomagnetic record. In general, the manuscript is well written, and the discussion and conclusions are well supported by the data. I have some comments and raise some questions below.
Line 28: Awkward phrasing of “but although includes”, maybe consider removing “although”.
Line 50: Maybe provide an age associated with the Last Glacial Maximum.
Line 95: No need to abbreviate approximately as “approx.”.
Line 99: No need to start the sentence with “Whilst”
Line 101: How were the gaps between cores determined? This was also unclear in Scheidt et al., 2021a. The gray lines in figure 2 are not exactly every 2m, so I assume that coring proceeded using the length of recovered material? In which case how are the gaps between cores determined? If coring advanced 2m with every drive (regardless of recovery), and the recovered amount was used to estimate gaps, then the gray lines on figure 2 should be changed to be regularly spaced and reflect this. Either way, a sentence in section 3.1 would be useful to clarify this.
Also, were the 2m cores sectioned into the shorter segments (line 111) following recovery? It is unclear on line 111 whether the whole core analyses were run on the 2m cores or the shorter sections (segments?)? It should be clarified when the cores were cut into the 1m sections prior to, or following the whole core analysis.
Line 140: Sentence should read, “…magnetic susceptibility, ARM, and IRM as normalizers.”
Line 142: Unlike PSV, which has strong regional imprints, RPI (at least at the millennial-scale and for the features you are matching) is thought to be more of a global signal. A case is made for the coherence between the North Atlantic records and Co1401 and the age model depends on this long-distance correlation. With this in mind, I am confused as to why such a strong case is made that the RPI records should come from within ~1500km.
Line 151: These six sites should be referenced individually using their original datasets, in addition to their synthesis within the GLOPIS-75 stack. These records are also presented unreferenced in the figures, they should be properly attributed.
Lines 151-167: This information is presented as bullet points. I am unfamiliar with the journal style requirements, but generally, bullet points consisting of several sentences are refrained from in the main body of a manuscript. I will leave this decision up to the authors and editor though.
Line 211: I am slightly confused as to why RPI values were retained if PSV values were discarded. As intensity and directions are both part of the same vector, if the directional data is affected by disturbance/compression, then one would expect the intensity values to also be affected. The result might be lower NRM/normalizer ratios than expected with all else being equal.
Line 263: Suggest revising the sentence, particularly the use of “reduce”, it is not entirely clear what this sentence is pointing to. I assume it is that if the low inclination values between 16-20m and those around 25m are removed from the analysis the mean and median ChRM values increase by a couple of degrees and better approach GAD?
Line 276: I hesitate to use the term RPI for the first description of the normalized intensity ratio presented in figure 2. By using the term RPI you are stating that the downcore ratio is a faithful recorder of the Earth’s magnetic field, however, no exploration of this ratio has been attempted as to whether it preserves a history of the geomagnetic field or not (see Tauxe, 1993 for a useful discussion). It might seem like semantics, but the ratio of NRM to X/ARM/IRM is just that until you can demonstrate it is likely a proxy for RPI. I would change the terminology to normalized NRM intensity, or normalized intensity ratio, or something similar throughout this section until the evidence that the record can be used as a proxy for RPI is established.
Line 278: All three normalizers do show similar patterns, but it is interesting that the different normalizers change relative to each other in intensity throughout. For example, while ARM consistently gives the highest ratio, X gives the lowest ratio in the lower part of the record but gives the highest ratio values in the upper part of the record. These variations result from rock magnetic variability and the relative acquisition of X relative to ARM relative to IRM. Could these variations be brought out more to discuss the variations in mineralogy and or grain size?
Line 282: Previously it was stated that compaction would not affect intensity values (see comment on line 211). Here it is stated that intensity could affect RPI values.
Line 288: The low in normalized intensity values at ~21.3 m is interesting for a few reasons. Directional variability is low, in fact, after the Laschamps excursion, two other intervals have greater deviations in inclination than this event. It also has the consistently highest Fe/Ti ratio values of the section >6 m, has low NRM intensity values, but has relatively unchanging rock magnetic properties. The shallower interval at 19.5 m seems to be a better candidate for an excursion than the interval at 21.3 m (greater inclination deviation, similarly low normalized intensity ratios, and “normal” Fe/Ti ratios). It is then said that the low in normalized intensity is the Mono Lake excursion, and the lack of directional variability is ok in this case because this lack of directional variability has been observed before.
I should be clear in that my comment is not that this interval is not linked to geomagnetic variability that has been previously observed at Mono Lake, it is that there is a very quick attribution of every low in normalized intensity record to a geomagnetic event before there has been an evaluation of the nature of the normalized intensity record. I understand that a previous paper set the stage for this interpretation, but the commentary here rapidly assigns excursions to a record with little to no directional variability, solely on the basis of lows in NRM intensity which, in the case of the event at 21.3m, are associated with spikes in geochemical proxy data. The event at 25 m is more than likely the Laschamps event, whether the other events are true excursions is a little less certain in my opinion.
Line 297: I think this whole section (4.4) that discusses remanence acquisition of the NRM intensity record would benefit from coming before the discussion of RPI (currently section 4.3).
Line 336: Section 4.4 should be section 4.5. This has knock-on effects for Section 4.5.
Section 4.4: I found the approach to creating the age model somewhat puzzling. It seems that there is a fairly linear and largely uncomplicated age-depth model relationship available from the C14 dates (aside from date “D”). There is no discussion as to why the remainder of these C14 dates are untrustworthy (aside from an oft observed offset between C14 and OSL), yet these radiometric ages are largely ignored as a primary chronological tool and are only used to support the RPI tie points (which could themselves have up to half a millennia lock-in delay offset).
As a result, I wondered why the C14 dates were not used as the primary age control, with the Pmag tie points being used between the anchored C14 dates to refine the age model? If problematic dates are revealed through RPI correlation (e.g. date “D”) then these could be discussed in specificity as to why Pmag wiggle matching might be a better approach. Thinking of the long-term sustainability (and citability) of this record, a geomagnetic record that is based on an independent C14 chronology and then improved through regional-global RPI correlation is probably better positioned than a RPI record that is matched to north Atlantic RPI variability and then qualitatively supported by overlapping C14 dates.
The previous paper by similar authors and the first part of this paper makes the case that the upper 7m has a different magnetic composition than the lower 7m and that the paleomagnetic record is less reliable. There is also a discussion (on line 343) that the Holocene records are complex and beyond the scope of the paper. Then, on line 376, two preliminary tie points are made between the RPI record that are not that entirely convincing in my opinion. I wonder why the authors don’t just use the C14 age points through this interval? The authors do state that the interval is complex, and that offset is observed with the C14 dates (line 378), but then promote the pmag tie points over the C14 dates in Table 3 and the resulting age model.
Finally, regarding the age model, have the authors considered putting their C14 ages, OSL ages, and RPI tie points into a Bayesian age-depth modelling program to evaluate uncertainty? A few good ones are available (e.g. Bacon, Undatable). Undatable (Lougheed and Obrochta, 2019) is a particularly useful (and user-friendly program) as you can input uncertainty in age-depth points in terms of depth and age.
Line 357 (and in the following sections): Relative changes in RPI are described (e.g. drops, upward increasing trend, increase towards the top) but the nature of these relative changes depends on whether we are considering downcore variability or progressing forward in time. Just make sure that these are always considered in the same reference frame, as I was unclear which drops were being referred to between the intervals labeled as Laschamps and Mono Lake.
Line 419: Figure panel 6b is referenced in the text before panel 6a.
Line 469: Most of the analysis in the manuscript concerns intensity variations. In these final paragraphs the comparison to Lake Baikal also only considers intensity variations. However, these variations are described here as PSV (invoking directions and intensity), I would consider revising to make it clear that you are only considering intensity variations (or add a directional comparison).
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Stephanie Scheidt, 12 Aug 2021
Many thanks to Reviewer#1 for your very constructive comments on our work. It is an excellent review in which inconsistencies are identified that we had not noticed. Reviewer#1’s comments were also very helpful in identifying text passages where we did not express ourselves clearly enough. We very much appreciate the time Reviewer#1 has invested.
Below we provide responses to the comments.
- Line 28: Awkward phrasing of “but although includes”, maybe consider removing “although”.
Reply: We are sorry to mix-up “also” and “although”. This will be changed
- Line 50: Maybe provide an age associated with the Last Glacial Maximum.
Reply: Indeed, a good suggestion. We will present an age range.
- Line 95: No need to abbreviate approximately as “approx.”.
Reply: True. We will write out the word everywhere in the manuscript.
- Line 99: No need to start the sentence with “Whilst”
Reply: True. The word is deleted
- Line 101: How were the gaps between cores determined? This was also unclear in Scheidt et al., 2021a. The gray lines in figure 2 are not exactly every 2m, so I assume that coring proceeded using the length of recovered material? In which case how are the gaps between cores determined? If coring advanced 2m with every drive (regardless of recovery), and the recovered amount was used to estimate gaps, then the gray lines on figure 2 should be changed to be regularly spaced and reflect this. Either way, a sentence in section 3.1 would be useful to clarify this. Also, were the 2m cores sectioned into the shorter segments (line 111) following recovery? It is unclear on line 111 whether the whole core analyses were run on the 2m cores or the shorter sections (segments?)? It should be clarified when the cores were cut into the 1m sections prior to, or following the whole core analysis.”
Reply: Thank to Reviewer#1 for bringing the issue with the gray lines to our attention. Some of them must have been displaced slightly without being recognised. Fig. 2 will be corrected in the revised version.
Regarding Reviewer#1’s question to the coring procedure, we will clarify this in section 3.1. The additional information will show that the core depth is derived from the drilling depth at which the barrel was opened to collect the sediment. The fact that the cores were directly cut in two individual sections during field work will also be included in section 3.1.
- Line 140: Sentence should read, “…magnetic susceptibility, ARM, and IRM as normalizers.
Reply: True. The sentence is changed.
- Line 142: Unlike PSV, which has strong regional imprints, RPI (at least at the millennialscale and for the features you are matching) is thought to be more of a global signal. A case is made for the coherence between the North Atlantic records and Co1401 and the age model depends on this long-distance correlation. With this in mind, I am confused as to why such a strong case is made that the RPI records should come from within ~1500km.
Reply: Thanks to Reviewer#1 for pointing this out. We obviously mixed up PSV and RPI issues. We will consider this in the revised version. However, the complete section is reorganized following the suggestions of Reviewer#2.
- Line 151: These six sites should be referenced individually using their original datasets, in addition to their synthesis within the GLOPIS-75 stack. These records are also presented unreferenced in the figures, they should be properly attributed.
Reply: We agree and will include the references of the individual records.
- Lines 151-167: This information is presented as bullet points. I am unfamiliar with thejournal style requirements, but generally, bullet points consisting of several sentences are refrained from in the main body of a manuscript. I will leave this decision up to theauthors and editor though.
Reply: There are no such rules explained in the guidelines. However, we will change the list of bullet points into subsections.
- Line 211: I am slightly confused as to why RPI values were retained if PSV values were discarded. As intensity and directions are both part of the same vector, if the directional data is affected by disturbance/compression, then one would expect the intensity valuesto also be affected. The result might be lower NRM/normalizer ratios than expected with all else being equal.
Reply: We are sorry for the confusion. It is true, that there might be a vector subtraction if a single magnetization vector is deformed in a certain way. We actually intended to describe a rotation of the material, which has no effect on the intensity but on the direction of the magnetization. However, since anonymous reviewer#2 was also confused and only two samples are affected we decided to discard one of these samples completely and keep the complete data of the other sample, though showing somewhat misaligned directions. Accordingly, the text section and the figures will get corrected.
- Line 263: Suggest revising the sentence, particularly the use of “reduce”, it is not entirely clear what this sentence is pointing to. I assume it is that if the low inclination values between 16-20m and those around 25m are removed from the analysis the mean and median ChRM values increase by a couple of degrees and better approach GAD?
Reply: Your assumption is correct. We will revise the sentence.
- Line 276: I hesitate to use the term RPI for the first description of the normalized intensity ratio presented in figure 2. By using the term RPI you are stating that the downcore ratio is a faithful recorder of the Earth’s magnetic field, however, no exploration of this ratio has been attempted as to whether it preserves a history of the geomagnetic field or not (see Tauxe, 1993 for a useful discussion). It might seem like semantics, but the ratio of NRM to X/ARM/IRM is just that until you can demonstrate it is likely a proxy for RPI. I would change the terminology to normalized NRM intensity, or normalized intensity ratio, or something similar throughout this section until the evidence that the record can be used as a proxy for RPI is established.
Reply: As reviewer#2 made a similar suggestion, we will repeat our arguments in greater detail and use different wording until we show that the RPI proxy represents fluctuations of the EMF.
- Line 278: All three normalizers do show similar patterns, but it is interesting that the different normalizers change relative to each other in intensity throughout. For example, while ARM consistently gives the highest ratio, X gives the lowest ratio in the lower part of the record but gives the highest ratio values in the upper part of the record. These variations result from rock magnetic variability and the relative acquisition of X relative to ARM relative to IRM. Could these variations be brought out more to discuss the variations in mineralogy and or grain size?
Reply: Thanks to Reviewe#1 for pointing this out. We will make aware of the change in normalizer intensity and discuss the implications of this issue.
- Line 282: Previously it was stated that compaction would not affect intensity values (see comment on line 211). Here it is stated that intensity could affect RPI values.
Reply: This is correct. We did not express the differences properly. In the revised version, we will make substantial changes in the section related to line 211.
- Line 288: The low in normalized intensity values at ~21.3 m is interesting for a few reasons. Directional variability is low, in fact, after the Laschamps excursion, two otherintervals have greater deviations in inclination than this event. It also has the consistently highest Fe/Ti ratio values of the section >6 m, has low NRM intensity values, but has relatively unchanging rock magnetic properties. The shallower interval at 19.5 m seems to be a better candidate for an excursion than the interval at 21.3 m (greater inclination deviation, similarly low normalized intensity ratios, and “normal” Fe/Ti ratios). It is then said that the low in normalized intensity is the Mono Lake excursion, and the lack of directional variability is ok in this case because this lack of directional variability has been observed before. I should be clear in that my comment is not that this interval is not linked to geomagnetic variability that has been previously observed at Mono Lake, it is that there is a very quick attribution of every low in normalized intensity record to a geomagnetic event before there has been an evaluation of the nature of the normalized intensity record. I understand that a previous paper set the stage for this interpretation, but the commentary here rapidly assigns excursions to a record with little to no directional variability, solely on the basis of lows in NRM intensity which, in the case of the event at 21.3m, are associated with spikes in geochemical proxy data. The event at 25 m is more than likely the Laschamps event, whether the other events are true excursions is a little less certain in my opinion.
Reply: We understand the point and we will explain the reasons for the assignment of the Mono Lake excursion to the RPI low at 21.3 mcd in greater detail in the revised version. However, the Fe/Ti ratios will not be discussed in this context. This is due to the fact that the Fe and Ti values were measured at core material in 2 mm resolution. The slightly increased values around 21.3 mcd result from isolated measuring points with elevated Fe values. However, the range of each sample includes about 11 measuring points. It is thus likely, that the sensor was placed directly on a Fe rich spot resulting in higher Fe values. This does not mean that the complete sample is characterized by higher Fe values. If the Fe/Ti ratio of a complete sample was elevated, the sample was discarded.
- Line 297: I think this whole section (4.4) that discusses remanence acquisition of the NRM intensity record would benefit from coming before the discussion of RPI (currently section 4.3).
Reply: We agree and change the order accordantly.
- Line 336: Section 4.4 should be section 4.5. This has knock-on effects for Section 4.5. Section 4.4: I found the approach to creating the age model somewhat puzzling. It seems that there is a fairly linear and largely uncomplicated age-depth model relationship available from the C14 dates (aside from date “D”). There is no discussion as to why the remainder of these C14 dates are untrustworthy (aside from an oft observed offset between C14 and OSL), yet these radiometric ages are largely ignored as a primary chronological tool and are only used to support the RPI tie points (which could themselves have up to half a millennia lock-in delay offset). As a result, I wondered why the C14 dates were not used as the primary age control, with the Pmag tie points being used between the anchored C14 dates to refine the age model? If problematic dates are revealed through RPI correlation (e.g. date “D”) then these could be discussed in specificity as to why Pmag wiggle matching might be a better approach. Thinking of the long-term sustainability (and citability) of this record, a geomagnetic record that is based on an independent C14 chronology and then improved through regional-global RPI correlation is probably better positioned than a RPI record that is matched to north Atlantic RPI variability and then qualitatively supported by overlapping C14 dates. The previous paper by similar authors and the first part of this paper makes the case that the upper 7m has a different magnetic composition than the lower 7m and that the paleomagnetic record is less reliable. There is also a discussion (on line 343) that the Holocene records are complex and beyond the scope of the paper. Then, on line 376, two preliminary tie points are made between the RPI record that are not that entirely convincing in my opinion. I wonder why the authors don’t just use the C14 age points through this interval? The authors do state that the interval is complex, and that offset is observed with the C14 dates (line 378), but then promote the pmag tie points over the C14 dates in Table 3 and the resulting age model. Finally, regarding the age model, have the authors considered putting their C14 ages, OSL ages, and RPI tie points into a Bayesian age-depth modelling program to evaluate uncertainty? A few good ones are available (e.g. Bacon, Undatable). Undatable (Lougheed and Obrochta, 2019) is a particularly useful (and user-friendly program) as you can input uncertainty in age-depth points in terms of depth and age.
Reply: We understand now that the reason for the chosen strategy is not sufficiently explained by us. In the previous study of Andreev et al. 2003 of core PG1228, 14C ages of macro remains were found to be ~2500 years too old in the Holocene part and approximately consistent >18 ka. We will include this information into section, which will be 4.1 after restructuring related to reviewer#2’s suggestions. By doing so, the reader may understand why we did not take the 14C ages for granted. In the Holocene part, the correlation using the 14C ages as tie points did not yield meaningful correlation schemes for RPI correlation. This will also be stated in the revised version. Overall, 14C ages were used for orientation if different correlation schemes were possible from the RPI point of view. This was shown by example in the discussion, but will be more emphasized in section 4.5.
Regarding age-depth modelling, we have decided against this approach, because age-depth models are just as good as the methods /software used, the model parameters chosen and the input made. In our study modelling assumptions for the possible offset of the 14C ages in the individual depth intervals (at least in the part <18 ka) and the log-in depth of the remanence acquisition would be necessary, just as a weighting for the individual data inputs. As described in the text 14C ages influenced the RPI correlation scheme. Thus, 14C and RPI data points are not independent from each other. In absence of many independent ages, a Bayesian model, such as Bacon, likely creates a best-fit model that resembles linear interpolation (which is applied in our approach) but reduces uncertainties. Hence, there is a risk that the age-depth model created conveys greater certainty than actually exists. Overall, we do not see a benefit from age-depth modelling in this study and consider the age-depth model presented to be the purest form of representation of the data. For any future studies, we provide all data open access to enable this approach. Besides, the data of this study that has already been accepted by the Journal of Quaternary Science and will thus be available soon.
- Line 357 (and in the following sections): Relative changes in RPI are described (e.g. drops, upward increasing trend, increase towards the top) but the nature of these relative changes depends on whether we are considering downcore variability or progressing forward in time. Just make sure that these are always considered in the same reference frame, as I was unclear which drops were being referred to between the intervals labelled as Laschamps and Mono Lake.
Reply: Thank to Reviewer#1 for making us aware of the mix-up of temporal and spatial expressions. We will check the text thoroughly. In this course, we will also make sure that the reader will understand to which RPI low we refer to between TP6 and TP7.
- Line 419: Figure panel 6b is referenced in the text before panel 6a.
Reply: We have to disagree with this statement, since 6a occurs for the first time in line 379, while Fig. 6b is mentioned for the first time in line 432.
- Line 469: Most of the analysis in the manuscript concerns intensity variations. In these final paragraphs the comparison to Lake Baikal also only considers intensity variations. However, these variations are described here as PSV (invoking directions and intensity), I would consider revising to make it clear that you are only considering intensity variations (or add a directional comparison).
Reply: We agree and will change the wording accordingly.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Stephanie Scheidt, 12 Aug 2021
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RC2: 'Comment on gchron-2021-12', Anonymous Referee #2, 10 Jul 2021
Overall: The manuscript “A 62-ka geomagnetic palaeointensity record from the Taymyr Peninsula, Russian Arctic” by Scheidt et al presents a very interesting paleomagnetic data set from a first of its kind late-Pleistocene through Holocene sedimentary archive from a lake north of the Arctic circle in Siberia. As there are few high quality paleomagnetic records north of the Arctic circle and essentially none that are as homogeneous, continuous, and at such a high resolution, these data have the potential to provide a unique observational perspective on the geomagnetic field, and through magnetic stratigraphy, paleoclimate and environment as well. For such paleomagnetic studies you essentially have two choices, you can use the paleomagnetic record for stratigraphy, or if you have an independent chronology, you can use it to study the geomagnetic field. It’s possible to do both if you can make a strong stratigraphic case first, then you might discuss some of the unique observations that are not controlled by the stratigraphic decisions or are otherwise well supported by other constraints. The primary focus of this manuscript is stratigraphy, however they also discuss the paleo-geomagnetic implications, especially those associated with it northerly location and the potential influence of tangent cylinder dynamics. The difficulty is that these are not clearly separated which makes things a bit problematic. Additionally, even though the location and its paleo-geomagnetic potential is a point of emphasis, they really don’t discuss the data in that regard very much and largely ignore the directional component that might be more apt to provide insights on tangent cylinder dynamics. So I guess what I am saying here is that they should focus on the stratigraphic aspects first, if successful and it should if they are rigorous about it, then pivot to the geomagnetic aspects after. Doing so would provide a manuscript better fitting of the data it writes about.
The manuscript is structured a bit oddly with the records being compared to being discussed in the methods rather than in the results or discussion. Rather than discussing details of the records and their chronologies (which they don’t do particularly well, or even accurately, e.g., GLOPIS is not dated by Ar/Ar, although it provides support), they could just outline the basic assumptions in the method. As stratigraphy is a primary focus, a key aspect could be to decide on a central assumption and then go with it. For example, that GLOPIS accurately represent global variation in geomagnetic intensity and by correlating your record to it you can put their time on your record. Essentially that is what is done, but its greatly complicated by incomplete discussions of the records that GLOPIS is composed of. Jut focusing on GLOPIS, its chronology and how its developed, and your correlations to it, the chronological implications and how those relate to your other independent chronological constraints would be a good first step. It looks like that would work well and therefore to a first order global intensity variations would explain first order intensity variations at your site, which is pretty interesting in and of itself. If that was done first, and then a second iteration to look for differences they might then be able to explore some of the unique aspects of the record. As written, it’s all kind of intertwined and really hard to decipher. Discussion occur before observations and inaccuracies in the discussion are too common.
The manuscript is structured a bit oddly with the records being compared to being discussed in the methods rather than in the results or discussion. Rather than discussing details of the records and their chronologies (which they don’t do particularly well, or even accurately, e.g., GLOPIS is not dated by Ar/Ar, although it provides support), they could just outline the basic assumptions in the methods. As stratigraphy is a primary focus, a key aspect could be to decide on a central assumption and then go with it. For example, that GLOPIS accurately represent global variation in geomagnetic intensity and by correlating your record to it you can put their time on your record. Essentially that is what is done, but its greatly complicated by incomplete discussions of the records that GLOPIS is composed of. Just focusing on GLOPIS, its chronology and how its developed, and your correlations to it, the chronological implications and how those relate to your other independent chronological constraints would be a good first step. It looks like that would work well and therefore to a first order, global intensity variations would explain first order intensity variations at your site, which is interesting in and of itself. If that was done first, and then a second iteration to look for differences they might then be able to explore some of the unique aspects of the record. As written, it’s all kind of intertwined and really hard to decipher. Discussions often occur before observations and inaccuracies in the discussion are too common.
Additionally, regardless of your stratigraphic or paleo-geomagnetic emphasis, you have to make a case that paleomagnetic variations you observe are geomagnetic in origin. An earlier paper discussed the rock magnetic attributes of the core, demonstrating its suitability for paleo-geomagnetic reconstructions from the Pleistocene part of the record, while indicating that the Holocene record was characterized by a somewhat more complex magnetic mineralogy that might make paleo-geomagnetic interpretations difficult and therefore the interpretation they make on that part of the record are less likely to valid. Not having to include all the rock magnetic data certainly shortens the contribution and makes getting to the point easier. However, they never really circled back on this difference in magnetic mineralogy and its potential impacts (details below) on some of the observations that are being made, like coercivity of the component magnetization and correlation with organic carbon or even the Holocene paleomagnetic record which they state is unsuitable, but still use it for the chronostratigraphy.
Specifics:
Abstract: This is really the second paleomagnetic study as the first was published in GRL, although its focus was a bit different (rock magnetism and the magnetic carriers), it’s still paleomagnetism.
Line 40: “These variations are expected to be at least partially independent from the global pattern of secular variation (St-Onge and Stoner, 2011; Lund et al., 2016).” Expected is a very strong word, might be better to suggest that there is some evidence to suggest that the geomagnetic field of polar regions may have some unique characteristics. But the authors should be cognizant of the scale of the evidence presented that was both centennial to millennial in scale and associated with directions and neither would be well observed in this study. Additionally, this gets to my point above, as there is a lot of focus on how unique the record should be, yet much of the manuscript is built on comparing the record to a nominally global stack (GLOPIS), maybe they should just focus on that?
Line 46: “Lacustrine sediment successions are particularly valuable for studying the magnetic and environmental history in the Arctic, because they often exhibit more continuous and undisturbed deposition with high accumulation rates compared to marine sediments.”
It’s usually the high-resolution part that makes them so valuable, being continuous, long, high res and undisturbed is pretty unique. Overall, I don’t think you have to work too hard to sell this as a valuable record.
Line 134: “In most cases, five consecutive AF demagnetization steps between 15 mT and 80 mT were used to determine the ChRM.” Which 5 are chosen is pretty important , especially if it’s not consistent and why only 5?. We will touch on this more below.
Section 3.4 , The ordering of the paper is a bit odd as much of what normally might be in the discussion or even result (background on other records being compared too).
The discussion on the reference record is confusing and it doesn’t have to be. It would seem to me to be much simpler to just use GLOPIS with an updated chronology (See Obrochta et al., 2014) for how to transfer from GISP2 consistent to GICC05), rather than bringing in all the individual records that using GISP2 chronologies. But, if you are going to explore them, then you should reference them, and look into how their chronologies were developed as well.
Line 210: Here you start going through quality control and I had a few questions and comments.
“First, sections with erratic, discontinuous ChRM directions were assumed to be affected by core disturbances. However, if inconsistent ChRM directions occurred only near the cut edges of the cores, the corresponding RPI values were not discarded,”
Why are anomalous directions considered independent of intensity, if one is disturbed wouldn’t the other?
“Second, samples with unstable demagnetization behavior and those that were almost completely demagnetized in ≤30 mT were considered unreliable.”
Is there any accounting for this filtering, is it random, is it in particular sections? Having NRM that are that soft would be pretty unusual and would be interesting to know where and why they are found and if there was any rock magnetic reason.
“Third, samples at the end of core sections with significantly lower NRM values than adjacent samples were discarded because likely affected by oxidation of unstable remanence carriers.”
Why is that the reason and if they are that unstable then it makes you worry about the age of magnetization and the other data too. The overall data supports a quality record, so maybe it’s just disturbance? And as a general comment, you don’t have to explain everything.
Line 223: “Sample selection resulted also in a reduction of the already low scatter of NRM, χ, ARM, and IRM values (Fig. 2)” Is there any accounting for what was removed?
Line 227 “Below 6.7 mcd, the anticorrelation might be explained by a sorting effect, with finer detrital material originating from more vegetated areas.”
They don’t have to explain the observation, however, if they do then they should have a mechanism with references behind it, or at least provide a detailed description of what they mean, as I did not follow what they were getting at. Potentially more important, it might be useful to see if these difference in anyway correspond to the changes in NRM coercivity they talk about below.
Line 255: “In the PCA, the ChRM is defined by the steepest part of the AF demagnetization curves, which was generally at higher AF fields in the upper part of the core than in the lower part”
Why the steepest part? What does it mean that the components are defined from different parts of the vector? One would think such systematic differences could be problematic for relative paleointensity which requires consistency through the studied interval (its relative). MAD values are a very useful metric to assess quality of the magnetization and are best if applied using a constant interval through the studied record. You might think of an iterative approach where in a second iteration you define the optimal component using a few less steps than were used in the blanket MAD value component assessment.
Line 261: Beside GAD, it might be useful to look at the modern field and see how that compares. And for comparing with the average inclination it, might be best to exclude excursions as is commonly done.
Line 266: Why does the cumulative error in dec increase, isn’t it the same for each unoriented drive.
Line 268: “In a few cases, sudden changes in declination also have been detected within cores. Here, core parts are probably twisted against each other.” If the inclination is steep that might be expected, otherwise the deformation you describe would be problematic for the intensity record as well. And these particular features might be worth nothing as they are saying something about the field
Line 269: “Because of these problems, a pole wander curve was not calculated for Co1401.” These are typical issues that must be dealt with in such reconstructions, although not optimal, if desired such reconstructions could be made, it just increases the uncertainty. Also, it’s not a polar wander curve, but rather a virtual geomagnetic pole (VGP) path that could be calculated.
Line 275: “The RPI of Co1401 shows ….”
At this point you are still making a case that normalized remanence record dominantly represents changes in geomagnetic intensity, as such it would be better to refer to it as normalized remanence until a strong case is made that RPI is preserved.
Around line 277 you begin discussing the upper sediments. As you have previously indicated that these are magnetic mineralogically problematic, it might be easiest just to say that and say they, without much additional work, are not suitable at this time for relative paleointensity reconstructions.
In the paragraph starting at line 284, you begin discussing the low normalized remanence intervals. Would be nice to have a blowup of this depth. You say “Age and pattern of this event coincide with those of the Laschamp geomagnetic excursion (e.g., Laj et al., 2006; Li
et al., 2018; Simon et al., 2020)”, but you have not yet defined the age of these sediments, and not sure what you mean by pattern” At this point and really throughout the record it might be useful to compare with the Black Sea and Baikal records. When it comes to the discussion of Mono Lake, you should define how and why you pick that intensity low as the one you give that name too, as well as the ambiguity associated with that event that was recently discussed by Korte and others.
Section 4.4 Remanence acquisition in Lake Levinson-Lessing:
Lines starting at 315: Lots of discussion about lock in, but you make few observations. Would be better if they focused on the observations then use our understanding of the issue to facilitate discussion.
Section 4.4 RPI correlation and implication for Co1401: Some discussion on the development and adjustment of the GLOPIS age model would be very relevant. In the methods this is incorrectly attributed to K-Ar, and Ar/Ar, although that provides some constraints, that is not how this chronology was developed. Additionally, if you are going to talk about the individual records, you might want to discuss their chronologies and references those studies.
Lines 335 “Due to the problems with reference datasets” what problems are those?
Additionally (lines starting at around 341), it would be better to treat the Holocene separately, rather than “As a preliminary result, the range <10 ka is therefore only correlated with the virtual axial dipole moment (VADM) of GLOPIS-75-GICC05 that show a general trend of the intensity variation of the last 10 ka (Fig. 5).”, if you are unsure of the record “the presence of greigite associated with the intensification of RPI variation in Co1401 requires a more detailed investigation of the magnetic mineralogy of the individual samples before the RPI can be considered reliable.” then don’t correlate it to anything as a global reconstruction is no more likely to be reliable than a regional record.
Starting at Line 355: “The correlation procedure started with the Laschamp geomagnetic excursion, which is tie point (TP) 7 (Table 3).” Provide more detail, what depth, why you think it’s the laschamp etc.
“TP 6 was set to the RPI low of the Mono Lake geomagnetic excursion” You are correlating an rpi low at xx depth to an rpi low at xx age in GLOPIS, but how do you know it’s the Mono Lake excursion, maybe say something like, the paleointensity low at xx depth was correlated to a paleointensity low associated with Mono Lake excursion as reported by Laj et al.
Around line 375, why tune within the Holocene as I thought that magnetic mineralogy make that part of the record suspect.
Much of the discussion should be rewritten, and on and on and on.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-RC2 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Stephanie Scheidt, 12 Aug 2021
Many thanks to Reviewer#1 for your very constructive comments on our work. It is an excellent review in which inconsistencies are identified that we had not noticed. Reviewer#1’s comments were also very helpful in identifying text passages where we did not express ourselves clearly enough. We very much appreciate the time Reviewer#1 has invested.
Below we provide responses to the comments.
- Line 28: Awkward phrasing of “but although includes”, maybe consider removing “although”.
Reply: We are sorry to mix-up “also” and “although”. This will be changed
- Line 50: Maybe provide an age associated with the Last Glacial Maximum.
Reply: Indeed, a good suggestion. We will present an age range.
- Line 95: No need to abbreviate approximately as “approx.”.
Reply: True. We will write out the word everywhere in the manuscript.
- Line 99: No need to start the sentence with “Whilst”
Reply: True. The word is deleted
- Line 101: How were the gaps between cores determined? This was also unclear in Scheidt et al., 2021a. The gray lines in figure 2 are not exactly every 2m, so I assume that coring proceeded using the length of recovered material? In which case how are the gaps between cores determined? If coring advanced 2m with every drive (regardless of recovery), and the recovered amount was used to estimate gaps, then the gray lines on figure 2 should be changed to be regularly spaced and reflect this. Either way, a sentence in section 3.1 would be useful to clarify this. Also, were the 2m cores sectioned into the shorter segments (line 111) following recovery? It is unclear on line 111 whether the whole core analyses were run on the 2m cores or the shorter sections (segments?)? It should be clarified when the cores were cut into the 1m sections prior to, or following the whole core analysis.”
Reply: Thank to Reviewer#1 for bringing the issue with the gray lines to our attention. Some of them must have been displaced slightly without being recognised. Fig. 2 will be corrected in the revised version.
Regarding Reviewer#1’s question to the coring procedure, we will clarify this in section 3.1. The additional information will show that the core depth is derived from the drilling depth at which the barrel was opened to collect the sediment. The fact that the cores were directly cut in two individual sections during field work will also be included in section 3.1.
- Line 140: Sentence should read, “…magnetic susceptibility, ARM, and IRM as normalizers.
Reply: True. The sentence is changed.
- Line 142: Unlike PSV, which has strong regional imprints, RPI (at least at the millennialscale and for the features you are matching) is thought to be more of a global signal. A case is made for the coherence between the North Atlantic records and Co1401 and the age model depends on this long-distance correlation. With this in mind, I am confused as to why such a strong case is made that the RPI records should come from within ~1500km.
Reply: Thanks to Reviewer#1 for pointing this out. We obviously mixed up PSV and RPI issues. We will consider this in the revised version. However, the complete section is reorganized following the suggestions of Reviewer#2.
- Line 151: These six sites should be referenced individually using their original datasets, in addition to their synthesis within the GLOPIS-75 stack. These records are also presented unreferenced in the figures, they should be properly attributed.
Reply: We agree and will include the references of the individual records.
- Lines 151-167: This information is presented as bullet points. I am unfamiliar with thejournal style requirements, but generally, bullet points consisting of several sentences are refrained from in the main body of a manuscript. I will leave this decision up to theauthors and editor though.
Reply: There are no such rules explained in the guidelines. However, we will change the list of bullet points into subsections.
- Line 211: I am slightly confused as to why RPI values were retained if PSV values were discarded. As intensity and directions are both part of the same vector, if the directional data is affected by disturbance/compression, then one would expect the intensity valuesto also be affected. The result might be lower NRM/normalizer ratios than expected with all else being equal.
Reply: We are sorry for the confusion. It is true, that there might be a vector subtraction if a single magnetization vector is deformed in a certain way. We actually intended to describe a rotation of the material, which has no effect on the intensity but on the direction of the magnetization. However, since anonymous reviewer#2 was also confused and only two samples are affected we decided to discard one of these samples completely and keep the complete data of the other sample, though showing somewhat misaligned directions. Accordingly, the text section and the figures will get corrected.
- Line 263: Suggest revising the sentence, particularly the use of “reduce”, it is not entirely clear what this sentence is pointing to. I assume it is that if the low inclination values between 16-20m and those around 25m are removed from the analysis the mean and median ChRM values increase by a couple of degrees and better approach GAD?
Reply: Your assumption is correct. We will revise the sentence.
- Line 276: I hesitate to use the term RPI for the first description of the normalized intensity ratio presented in figure 2. By using the term RPI you are stating that the downcore ratio is a faithful recorder of the Earth’s magnetic field, however, no exploration of this ratio has been attempted as to whether it preserves a history of the geomagnetic field or not (see Tauxe, 1993 for a useful discussion). It might seem like semantics, but the ratio of NRM to X/ARM/IRM is just that until you can demonstrate it is likely a proxy for RPI. I would change the terminology to normalized NRM intensity, or normalized intensity ratio, or something similar throughout this section until the evidence that the record can be used as a proxy for RPI is established.
Reply: As reviewer#2 made a similar suggestion, we will repeat our arguments in greater detail and use different wording until we show that the RPI proxy represents fluctuations of the EMF.
- Line 278: All three normalizers do show similar patterns, but it is interesting that the different normalizers change relative to each other in intensity throughout. For example, while ARM consistently gives the highest ratio, X gives the lowest ratio in the lower part of the record but gives the highest ratio values in the upper part of the record. These variations result from rock magnetic variability and the relative acquisition of X relative to ARM relative to IRM. Could these variations be brought out more to discuss the variations in mineralogy and or grain size?
Reply: Thanks to Reviewe#1 for pointing this out. We will make aware of the change in normalizer intensity and discuss the implications of this issue.
- Line 282: Previously it was stated that compaction would not affect intensity values (see comment on line 211). Here it is stated that intensity could affect RPI values.
Reply: This is correct. We did not express the differences properly. In the revised version, we will make substantial changes in the section related to line 211.
- Line 288: The low in normalized intensity values at ~21.3 m is interesting for a few reasons. Directional variability is low, in fact, after the Laschamps excursion, two otherintervals have greater deviations in inclination than this event. It also has the consistently highest Fe/Ti ratio values of the section >6 m, has low NRM intensity values, but has relatively unchanging rock magnetic properties. The shallower interval at 19.5 m seems to be a better candidate for an excursion than the interval at 21.3 m (greater inclination deviation, similarly low normalized intensity ratios, and “normal” Fe/Ti ratios). It is then said that the low in normalized intensity is the Mono Lake excursion, and the lack of directional variability is ok in this case because this lack of directional variability has been observed before. I should be clear in that my comment is not that this interval is not linked to geomagnetic variability that has been previously observed at Mono Lake, it is that there is a very quick attribution of every low in normalized intensity record to a geomagnetic event before there has been an evaluation of the nature of the normalized intensity record. I understand that a previous paper set the stage for this interpretation, but the commentary here rapidly assigns excursions to a record with little to no directional variability, solely on the basis of lows in NRM intensity which, in the case of the event at 21.3m, are associated with spikes in geochemical proxy data. The event at 25 m is more than likely the Laschamps event, whether the other events are true excursions is a little less certain in my opinion.
Reply: We understand the point and we will explain the reasons for the assignment of the Mono Lake excursion to the RPI low at 21.3 mcd in greater detail in the revised version. However, the Fe/Ti ratios will not be discussed in this context. This is due to the fact that the Fe and Ti values were measured at core material in 2 mm resolution. The slightly increased values around 21.3 mcd result from isolated measuring points with elevated Fe values. However, the range of each sample includes about 11 measuring points. It is thus likely, that the sensor was placed directly on a Fe rich spot resulting in higher Fe values. This does not mean that the complete sample is characterized by higher Fe values. If the Fe/Ti ratio of a complete sample was elevated, the sample was discarded.
- Line 297: I think this whole section (4.4) that discusses remanence acquisition of the NRM intensity record would benefit from coming before the discussion of RPI (currently section 4.3).
Reply: We agree and change the order accordantly.
- Line 336: Section 4.4 should be section 4.5. This has knock-on effects for Section 4.5. Section 4.4: I found the approach to creating the age model somewhat puzzling. It seems that there is a fairly linear and largely uncomplicated age-depth model relationship available from the C14 dates (aside from date “D”). There is no discussion as to why the remainder of these C14 dates are untrustworthy (aside from an oft observed offset between C14 and OSL), yet these radiometric ages are largely ignored as a primary chronological tool and are only used to support the RPI tie points (which could themselves have up to half a millennia lock-in delay offset). As a result, I wondered why the C14 dates were not used as the primary age control, with the Pmag tie points being used between the anchored C14 dates to refine the age model? If problematic dates are revealed through RPI correlation (e.g. date “D”) then these could be discussed in specificity as to why Pmag wiggle matching might be a better approach. Thinking of the long-term sustainability (and citability) of this record, a geomagnetic record that is based on an independent C14 chronology and then improved through regional-global RPI correlation is probably better positioned than a RPI record that is matched to north Atlantic RPI variability and then qualitatively supported by overlapping C14 dates. The previous paper by similar authors and the first part of this paper makes the case that the upper 7m has a different magnetic composition than the lower 7m and that the paleomagnetic record is less reliable. There is also a discussion (on line 343) that the Holocene records are complex and beyond the scope of the paper. Then, on line 376, two preliminary tie points are made between the RPI record that are not that entirely convincing in my opinion. I wonder why the authors don’t just use the C14 age points through this interval? The authors do state that the interval is complex, and that offset is observed with the C14 dates (line 378), but then promote the pmag tie points over the C14 dates in Table 3 and the resulting age model. Finally, regarding the age model, have the authors considered putting their C14 ages, OSL ages, and RPI tie points into a Bayesian age-depth modelling program to evaluate uncertainty? A few good ones are available (e.g. Bacon, Undatable). Undatable (Lougheed and Obrochta, 2019) is a particularly useful (and user-friendly program) as you can input uncertainty in age-depth points in terms of depth and age.
Reply: We understand now that the reason for the chosen strategy is not sufficiently explained by us. In the previous study of Andreev et al. 2003 of core PG1228, 14C ages of macro remains were found to be ~2500 years too old in the Holocene part and approximately consistent >18 ka. We will include this information into section, which will be 4.1 after restructuring related to reviewer#2’s suggestions. By doing so, the reader may understand why we did not take the 14C ages for granted. In the Holocene part, the correlation using the 14C ages as tie points did not yield meaningful correlation schemes for RPI correlation. This will also be stated in the revised version. Overall, 14C ages were used for orientation if different correlation schemes were possible from the RPI point of view. This was shown by example in the discussion, but will be more emphasized in section 4.5.
Regarding age-depth modelling, we have decided against this approach, because age-depth models are just as good as the methods /software used, the model parameters chosen and the input made. In our study modelling assumptions for the possible offset of the 14C ages in the individual depth intervals (at least in the part <18 ka) and the log-in depth of the remanence acquisition would be necessary, just as a weighting for the individual data inputs. As described in the text 14C ages influenced the RPI correlation scheme. Thus, 14C and RPI data points are not independent from each other. In absence of many independent ages, a Bayesian model, such as Bacon, likely creates a best-fit model that resembles linear interpolation (which is applied in our approach) but reduces uncertainties. Hence, there is a risk that the age-depth model created conveys greater certainty than actually exists. Overall, we do not see a benefit from age-depth modelling in this study and consider the age-depth model presented to be the purest form of representation of the data. For any future studies, we provide all data open access to enable this approach. Besides, the data of this study that has already been accepted by the Journal of Quaternary Science and will thus be available soon.
- Line 357 (and in the following sections): Relative changes in RPI are described (e.g. drops, upward increasing trend, increase towards the top) but the nature of these relative changes depends on whether we are considering downcore variability or progressing forward in time. Just make sure that these are always considered in the same reference frame, as I was unclear which drops were being referred to between the intervals labelled as Laschamps and Mono Lake.
Reply: Thank to Reviewer#1 for making us aware of the mix-up of temporal and spatial expressions. We will check the text thoroughly. In this course, we will also make sure that the reader will understand to which RPI low we refer to between TP6 and TP7.
- Line 419: Figure panel 6b is referenced in the text before panel 6a.
Reply: We have to disagree with this statement, since 6a occurs for the first time in line 379, while Fig. 6b is mentioned for the first time in line 432.
- Line 469: Most of the analysis in the manuscript concerns intensity variations. In these final paragraphs the comparison to Lake Baikal also only considers intensity variations. However, these variations are described here as PSV (invoking directions and intensity), I would consider revising to make it clear that you are only considering intensity variations (or add a directional comparison).
Reply: We agree and will change the wording accordingly.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-AC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Stephanie Scheidt, 12 Aug 2021
We thank Reviewer#2 for recognizing the importance of the record and the detailed comments on the study. They gave us a new perspective on our work and provided some very helpful suggestions that will enhance the quality of our study. Thus, we appreciate the time invested.
Reviewer#2 describes in his general comments that such an RPI study usually follows one of two conceptual approaches, but also shows that other possibilities exist. As Reviewer#2 correctly pointed out, this is the way we go. The main focus of our work is to present an RPI and PSV dataset from the High North as it has not existed before and to introduce its possible implications. Because only a chronological framework enables to use the data for further analyses, the emphasis is on chronostratigraphy. Thus, we intended to do exactly what Reviewer#2 suggested (“I guess what I am saying here is that they should focus on the stratigraphic aspects first (…) then pivot to the geomagnetic aspects after”). To follow the advice of Reviewer#1 and Reviewer#2 we will reorganize the order of the sections in the Results and discussion chapter as follows:
- 1) Basic chronology (spanning a rough time frame)
- 2) Magnetic mineralogy (shows the suitability of the sediment for RPI)
- 3) Remanence acquisition (introducing the lock-in issue; position of the section was suggested by Reviewer#1)
- 4) PSV+RPI (description and discussion of the data)
- 5) Correlation (Discussion on reference records, correlation of the data and final age-depth model)
- 6) Implications
In the following, we go through the specific comments one by one. As Reviewer#2 addresses issues in the general comments and in the specific comments we include responses to the general comments of Reviewer#2’s in appropriate places of the specific part.
- Abstract: This is really the second paleomagnetic study as the first was published in GRL, although its focus was a bit different (rock magnetism and the magnetic carriers), it’s still paleomagnetism.
Reply: Reviewer#2 is absolutely right. We showed RPI approximations of whole-core measurements in the previous study. We will correct this issue in the abstract and in the introduction.
- Line 40: “These variations are expected to be at least partially independent from the global pattern of secular variation (St-Onge and Stoner, 2011; Lund et al., 2016).” Expected is a very strong word, might be better to suggest that there is some evidence to suggest that the geomagnetic field of polar regions may have some unique characteristics. But the authors should be cognizant of the scale of the evidence presented that was both centennial to millennial in scale and associated with directions and neither would be well observed in this study. Additionally, this gets to my point above, as there is a lot of focus on how unique the record should be, yet much of the manuscript is built on comparing the record to a nominally global stack (GLOPIS), maybe they should just focus on that?
Reply: We will use the wording as suggested by Reviewer#2.
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Reply: We will use the wording as suggested by Reviewer#2.
Regarding the suggestion that we should focus only on GLOPIS, we have problems understanding the concern. Reviewer#2 states that there are no other records “that are as homogeneous, continuous, and at such a high resolution” and have therefore “the potential to provide a unique observational perspective on the geomagnetic field, and through magnetic stratigraphy, paleoclimate and environment”. As we are in the introduction of the study, which describes the general framework, the significance of the study, possible implications for the future and the objectives, we are convinced that a short description of the relevance of the record is well placed here. However, for clarification we will include the information in the introduction that there are no regional datasets available. We hope that this also serves as an answer for Reviewer#2’s comment on the use of the directional data from the general comments (“even though the location and its paleo-geomagnetic potential is a point of emphasis, they really don’t discuss the data in that regard very much and largely ignore the directional component that might be more apt to provide insights on tangent cylinder dynamics.”). The lack of high-resolution records that extend over the required time span has profound consequences for the presented study. There are, for example, no reference records for PSV correlation available that can be used to recognize regional pattern of the EMF. Thereby, and because of core gaps leading to uncertainty of the declination, a robust evidence-based discussion of the variations of the EMF in the tangent cylinder based on the PSV must wait until more data sets from the region are available. Nevertheless, we are convinced that the directional dataset is worth publishing as it is the first in the region and will enable future studies to discuss PSV variability.
- Line 46: “Lacustrine sediment successions are particularly valuable for studying the magnetic and environmental history in the Arctic, because they often exhibit more continuous and undisturbed deposition with high accumulation rates compared to marine sediments.” It’s usually the high-resolution part that makes them so valuable, being continuous, long, high res and undisturbed is pretty unique. Overall, I don’t think you have to work too hard to sell this as a valuable record.
Reply: Thanks to Reviewer#2 for this clarification. The attributes are used comparatively to accurately describe the differences to marine records.
- Line 134: “In most cases, five consecutive AF demagnetization steps between 15 mT and 80 mT were used to determine the ChRM.” Which 5 are chosen is pretty important, especially if it’s not consistent and why only 5?. We will touch on this more below.
Reply: Please see the reply to comment on line 255 below.
- Section 3.4, The ordering of the paper is a bit odd as much of what normally might be in the discussion or even result (background on other records being compared too). The discussion on the reference record is confusing and it doesn’t have to be. It would seem to me to be much simpler to just use GLOPIS with an updated chronology (See Obrochta et al., 2014) for how to transfer from GISP2 consistent to GICC05), rather than bringing in all the individual records that using GISP2 chronologies. But, if you are going to explore them, then you should reference them, and look into how their chronologies were developed as well.
- (“The manuscript is structured a bit oddly the records being compared to being discussed in the methods rather than in the results or discussion. Rather than discussing details of the records and their chronologies (which they don’t do particularly well, or even accurately, e.g., GLOPIS is not dated by Ar/Ar, although it provides support), they could just outline the basic assumptions in the method. As stratigraphy is a primary focus, a key aspect could be to decide on a central assumption and then go with it. For example, that GLOPIS accurately represent global variation in geomagnetic intensity and by correlating your record to it you can put their time on your record. Essentially that is what is done, but its greatly complicated by incomplete discussions of the records that GLOPIS is composed of.)
Reply: Please note that we inserted the general comment that addresses a similar question in brackets and italic letters above. Regarding these comments, there are different issues to clarify, which we like to do by the bullet points below.
- Thanks to Reviewer#2 for making us aware that we have discussion related elements in the methodology part. We will shift this section to the section in which we use the reference records for correlation.
- The reference records used are not introduced in the result and discussion part as they are not our results but well-known published records. We will now report on the reference records as we report on any other material used. We will also include the references that were missing.
- To discuss the background information of well-established and published records is not necessarily required. This approach can be observed in several other studies (e.g., Channell et al., 2008 (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2008.07.005) Makaroğlu et al., 2020 (https://doi.org/10.1093/gji/ggaa281)). However, we follow Reviewer#2’s suggestion and will include a statement in which we assume GLOPIS to precisely show the variations of the EMF. Thereby the age-depth model of GLOPIS and the related records shown can be transferred to Co1401 without further discussions. Thanks to Reviewer#2 for this suggestion.
- We are sorry to have included inaccuracies. It is correct that GLOPIS was not based on K/Ar or Ar/Ar ages. Only the update of GLOPIS was constrained using this dating methods. We will correct the information in the revised version.
- Thanks to Reviewer#2 for making us aware of Obrochta et al. (2014). After studying the publication, we got aware that “the uncertainties and limitations in the correlation procedure of the original authors must be considered”. Unfortunately, this means that the required data is not completely available for all records used.
- At first glance, it may seem easier to associate Co1401 to GLOPIS only. Indeed, we tried that first and ended up with different plausible-looking alternative correlation schemes. Thus, we consulted some of the regional records to be aware of the naturally occurring variations that are averaged out in GLOPIS. This was how we received our correlation scheme. Therefore, we are sorry to have to disagree at this point.
- Line 210: Here you start going through quality control and I had a few questions and comments. “First, sections with erratic, discontinuous ChRM directions were assumed to be affected by core disturbances. However, if inconsistent ChRM directions occurred only near the cut edges of the cores, the corresponding RPI values were not discarded,” Why are anomalous directions considered independent of intensity, if one is disturbed wouldn’t the other?
Reply: We are sorry for the confusion. It is true, that disturbed sections are always disturbed no matter where they occur. We actually intended to describe a rotation of the material which has no effect on the intensity but on the direction of the magnetization. However, since Reviewer#1 was also confused and only two samples are affected we decided to discard one of these samples completely due to large offset from the expected directions and keep the complete data of the other sample, though showing somewhat misaligned directions. Accordingly, the text section and the figures will be corrected.
- “Second, samples with unstable demagnetization behavior and those that were almost completely demagnetized in ≤30 mT were considered unreliable.” Is there any accounting for this filtering, is it random, is it in particular sections? Having NRM that are that soft would be pretty unusual and would be interesting to know where and why they are found and if there was any rock magnetic reason.
Reply: Thanks to Reviewer#2 for pointing this out. The samples which were demagnetized ≤30 mT are those between 18 and 30 mcd, which were also discarded because of elevated NRM values. We will delete the part of the sentence to avoid ambiguities. Regarding the rock magnetic reasons, we agree with Reviewer#2 that a respective discussion would be interesting. We nonetheless decided that a discussion of the magnetic mineralogy of discarded samples would go beyond the scope of this paper.
- “Third, samples at the end of core sections with significantly lower NRM values than adjacent samples were discarded because likely affected by oxidation of unstable remanence carriers.” Why is that the reason and if they are that unstable then it makes you worry about the age of magnetization and the other data too. The overall data supports a quality record, so maybe it’s just disturbance? And as a general comment, you don’t have to explain everything.
Reply: As we describe the reasons for discarding samples in general, the presence of unstable sulphides, as they exist in the upper part, is included here. In the revised version, we will clarify this issue to ensure that readers do not doubt the quality of the record.
- Line 223: “Sample selection resulted also in a reduction of the already low scatter of NRM,χ, ARM, and IRM values (Fig. 2)” Is there any accounting for what was removed?
Reply: In this sentence we refer to Fig. 2, because the requested information is part of the figure. As explained in the legend of Fig. 2, removed samples are indicated in red. In addition, you will also find a detailed list of all discarded samples and their measured values in the data documentation on Figshare. We hope Reviewer#2 will regard this to be sufficient.
- Line 227 “Below 6.7 mcd, the anticorrelation might be explained by a sorting effect, with finer detrital material originating from more vegetated areas.” They don’t have to explain the observation, however, if they do then they should have a mechanism with references behind it, or at least provide a detailed description of what they mean, as I did not follow what they were getting at. Potentially more important, it might be useful to see if these difference in anyway correspond to the changes in NRM coercivity they talk about below.
Reply: We disagree with the comment that we don’t need to give possible reasons for such an observation. Regarding the explanation, we will revise the section to make sure all readers understand the mechanism we propose.
- Line 255: “In the PCA, the ChRM is defined by the steepest part of the AF demagnetization curves, which was generally at higher AF fields in the upper part of the core than in the lower part” Why the steepest part? What does it mean that the components are defined from different parts of the vector? One would think such systematic differences could be problematic for relative paleointensity which requires consistency through the studied interval (its relative). MAD values are a very useful metric to assess quality of the magnetization and are best if applied using a constant interval through the studied record. You might think of an iterative approach where in a second iteration you define the optimal component using a few less steps than were used in the blanket MAD value component assessment.
Reply: We demagnetized the samples in 12 consecutive steps. As we describe in our study, the first three steps up to 15 mT deleted a “small viscous overprint” that occurred in some samples. On the other hand, measurement noise has a larger effect when the magnetization gets weaker (highest 2-3 AF steps, please see Fig. 4 for examples). Thus, the PCA was determined by the steps in between, in which the signal is most stable. The steepest part of the demagnetization curve was used to capture most of the magnetization of this range. Finally, we intended to use those data that result in lowest MAD values. We will explain that all in greater detail in the revised Version. Besides we like to state that we are grateful to have been made aware of this passage once again. This made us realise that, in order to minimise MAD, we had not included the full AF range used for the RPI proxies in the PCA. This will now be corrected. Although the changes will probably be tiny we are happy to adjust the PCA. Regarding the number of steps used, usually a number of 5 consecutive measurements is regarded sufficient and does not need to be discussed further. With this answer, we hope to have sufficiently answered your general comment ("which 5 will be selected"(...) and why only 5") as well as the question “why the steepest part?”. Please note that a problem for RPI determination cannot result from this procedure, since we consistently used the partial NRM (pNRM) between 30 and 50 mT demagnetization steps (4 steps) and corresponding normalizers. This is already described in the methodology part. Finally, Reviewer#2 is right, that we missed to report on the MAD. This will be done in the revised version. We have a mean MAD of 1.4 for the sample set, which we missed to mention. Thanks to Reviewer#2 for making us aware of this fact.
- Line 261: Beside GAD, it might be useful to look at the modern field and see how that compares. And for comparing with the average inclination it, might be best to exclude excursions as is commonly done.
Reply: Thanks to Reviewer#2 for this suggestion. We will include a recent value of inclination and declination and will only state the mean and medium inclination values excluding the geomagnetic excursion.
- Line 266: Why does the cumulative error in dec increase, isn’t it the same for each unoriented drive.
Reply: As explained in the study, the cores are not oriented to the North direction, nor we have overlapping cores except from the uppermost 2 m. As described, we assume that the uppermost samples carry approximately the direction of the EMF today. Therefore, the uppermost core was rotated to the recent field value. The direction of the samples in the subsequent cores depends on the orientation of the respective core above. Coring and sampling gaps might cause some degree of uncertainty about how sample directions change from one core to the other. Thus, according to the assumption made, it is a case of error propagation. We will include these keywords in brackets to make every reader aware of it.
- Line 268: “In a few cases, sudden changes in declination also have been detected withincores. Here, core parts are probably twisted against each other.” If the inclination is steep that might be expected, otherwise the deformation you describe would be problematic for the intensity record as well. And these particular features might be worth nothing as they are saying something about the field
Reply: Here we have to disagree. A simple rotation of a core segment on a laminar surface does not result in any changes in the RPI. It merely corresponds to the rotation of individual core segments in relation to each other. A movement could only lead to deformations and thus to disturbances of the RPI if the movement surface would be located within a sample. This is not the case. For clarification we will add this information.
- Line 269: “Because of these problems, a pole wander curve was not calculated for Co1401.” These are typical issues that must be dealt with in such reconstructions, although not optimal, if desired such reconstructions could be made, it just increases the uncertainty. Also, it’s not a polar wander curve, but rather a virtual geomagnetic pole (VGP) path that could be calculated.
Reply: Thanks to Reviewer#2 for the correction in the use of the expression. We will correct this. We do not agree with the statement that it would be possible to create a VGP path if desired, since a VGP path on the basis of the available data set is subject to far too much uncertainty to be valid. This is due to the mechanism of error propagation (see reply to comment on line 266) and the dimension of the core gaps (described in section 3.1 and fully documented in figshare).
- Line 275: “The RPI of Co1401 shows …” At this point you are still making a case that normalized remanence record dominantly represents changes in geomagnetic intensity, as such it would be better to refer to it as normalized remanence until a strong case is made that RPI is preserved.
Reply: As Reviewer#1 made a similar suggestion, we will repeat our arguments in greater detail and use different wording until we show that the RPI proxy represents fluctuations of the EMF.
- Around line 277 you begin discussing the upper sediments. As you have previously indicated that these are magnetic mineralogically problematic, it might be easiest just to say that and say they, without much additional work, are not suitable at this time for relative paleointensity reconstructions.
Reply: Please see the reply on the comment to line 375 below
- In the paragraph starting at line 284, you begin discussing the low normalized remanence intervals. Would be nice to have a blowup of this depth. You say “Age and pattern of this event coincide with those of the Laschamp geomagnetic excursion (e.g., Laj et al., 2006; Li et al., 2018; Simon et al., 2020)”, but you have not yet defined the age of these sediments, and not sure what you mean by pattern” At this point and really throughout the record it might be useful to compare with the Black Sea and Baikal records. When it comes to the discussion of Mono Lake, you should define how and why you pick that intensity low as the one you give that name too, as well as the ambiguity associated with that event that was recently discussed by Korte and others.
Reply: As suggested we will include an additional figure that shows the low normalized remanence intervals to make it clearly recognisable. Regarding the issue with the word age, we like to make Reviewer#2 aware that a basic chronology was established in a previous section already. In this section a 14C age is introduced close to the proposed geomagnetic excursion. However, we will re-address this fact in the manuscript to remind readers and ease understanding.
Regarding your suggestion to compare our record to the Black Sea record and the lake Baikal record: Please note that the lake Baikal record is shown in Fig. 7 of this study and that it is explained that the sedimentation rates vary widely, the age-depth model is not up to date and the data set is not reported in such a way that one can easily transfer the RPI to a recent age-depth model. In the case of the Black Sea records we assume you refer to the stack provided by Nowaczyk et al. (2013). The 50-year stack includes some of the 16 cores whose data are only individually documented by Liu et al. (2020) (https://doi.org/10.1594/PANGAEA.919446). Unfortunately, the data of the 50-year stack are not documented, which is why the dataset was not included. Finally, thanks to Reviewer#2 for making us aware of the lack of discussion regarding the Mono Lake. We will expand the corresponding text section.
- Section 4.4 Remanence acquisition in Lake Levinson-Lessing: Lines starting at 315: Lots of discussion about lock in, but you make few observations. Would be better if they focused on the observations then use our understanding of the issue to facilitate discussion.
Reply: There is probably no question that the lock-in issue is important in this study. We explain at the beginning of the section why it is not possible to make own estimates. Thus, we think it makes sense to look at studies with comparable settings and then present the similarities and differences to our data step by step. Please note that we follow the suggestions of Reviewer#1 and Ian Snowball to improve this section.
- Section 4.4 RPI correlation and implication for Co1401: Some discussion on the development and adjustment of the GLOPIS age model would be very relevant. In the methods this is incorrectly attributed to K-Ar, and Ar/Ar, although that provides some constraints, that is not how this chronology was developed. Additionally, if you are going to talk about the individual records, you might want to discuss their chronologies and references those studies.
Reply: Please see the reply on the comment to section 3.4 above.
- Lines 335 “Due to the problems with reference datasets” what problems are those? Additionally (lines starting at around 341), it would be better to treat the Holocene separately, rather than “As a preliminary result, the range <10 ka is therefore only correlated with the virtual axial dipole moment (VADM) of GLOPIS-75-GICC05 that show a general trend of the intensity variation of the last 10 ka (Fig. 5).”, if you are unsure of the record “the presence of greigite associated with the intensification of RPI variation in Co1401 requires a more detailed investigation of the magnetic mineralogy of the individual samples before the RPI can be considered reliable.” then don’t correlate it to anything as a global reconstruction is no more likely to be reliable than a regional record.
Reply: Following Reviewer#2’s suggestions, we rephrased the entire section. Thus, it will be much clearer in the revised version to where we refer to. Regarding the remaining issues of this comment, please see the reply to the comment on line 375.
- Starting at Line 355: “The correlation procedure started with the Laschamp geomagnetic excursion, which is tie point (TP) 7 (Table 3).” Provide more detail, what depth, why you think it’s the laschamp etc.
Reply: We like to make Reviewer#2 aware that the depth of all tie points is shown in a comprehensive way in Table 3. Presenting the age and depth data in this way has the advantage that all the data can be grasped at one glance and allows for quick reference after the first reading of the study. In addition, the discussion of why this RPI low is suggested to be the Laschamp geomagnetic excursion has taken place in the previous section on PSV and RPI. Following Reviewer#2’s suggestion, that section will be extended.
- “TP 6 was set to the RPI low of the Mono Lake geomagnetic excursion” You are correlating an rpi low at xx depth to an rpi low at xx age in GLOPIS, but how do you know it’s the Mono Lake excursion, maybe say something like, the paleointensity low at xx depth was correlated to a paleointensity low associated with Mono Lake excursion as reported by Laj et al.
Reply: Thank to Reviewer#2 for making us aware that we did not use the correct wording. We will change this.
- Around line 375, why tune within the Holocene as I thought that magnetic mineralogymake that part of the record suspect.
Reply: We have learned from Reviewer#2’s comments that the order of our arguments and the wording result in misunderstandings regarding the expected influence of greigite in the upper part of the core. We will thus make changes in all related text sections to make the reader understand that we do not expect this part to be unreliable nor unsuitable to the method. Instead we will highlight the much larger opportunities for discussion of the Holocene part in an own extensive study, which is actually already on its way. In addition, we like to explain here that we decided to present preliminary results to provide a chronology of the complete record to follow-up studies.
Much of the discussion should be rewritten, and on and on and on.
Reply: We have taken over all reasonable suggestions from Reviewer#2. We thank Reviewer#2 once again for his detailed review, as the adjustments significantly improved our work.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/gchron-2021-12-AC2
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Stephanie Scheidt, 12 Aug 2021